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very true david,i can ur point on negotiator vs inner voice,very true that,well said,i really listen to ur videos and audio(podcasts) every time,even have them on my music player,every time i listen,i can see ur vision about these opinions,well put!
this podcast is one, huge, GAPING, pile of crap!
(sorry, had to.)
seriously, though,, I have to somewhat disagree with this podcast. That "inner voice" is there to keep you out of TROUBLE! Sometimes, that thing we feel like doing just because it FEELS good, or FEELS right, is WRONG, and that inner voice is there to stop you from doing the wrong thing.
Extreme example--
"gee,, I'd love to ROB THAT BANK over there,,it just FEELS right!" then the inner voice tells you, "you better not! you will get caught, and go to prison." -- better listen to the inner voice on that one.
If everyone went around ignoring what there inner voice told them, and just did whatever feels right, there would be nothing but chaos, and even more unhappy relationships, because they jumped into a relationship with someone, because it FELT right, and didn't listen to there inner voice telling them that this person isn't a good fit for them.
Another example-- Rihanna getting back together with Chris Brown.. She is getting back into this unhealthy relationship because it feels right to her, ignoring her inner voice that has to be SCREAMING at her-- "THIS GUY BEATS WOMEN!!".
Sometimes, listening to your inner "negotiator" is a good thing.
dude ive seen you commens here on the forums a lot of times and i want to tell you something: you head is FULL of crap! like a LOT of crap. seriously. I have NEVER in my entire life, felt like robing a bank NEVER in my fucking life. have you? you feel like beating woman on a daily basis? i think you have a case of depression man and for you good you should talk about it with somebody (if you think you have nobody then you have depresion...) dude! really!! for you own good DROP THE ATTITUDE! NOW! DROP IT! WISH YOU THE BEST ;)
John, was your negotiator typing or your intuition?
In your examples, is it really their intuition telling them to rob banks and be with their abuser, or is it the negotiator making excuses for why robbing banks and being with the abuser is right?
Hi David,
. I do think there is much good in the message of this podcast, but The basic message I disagree with. You're right, we do tend to let the negotiator ruin things sometimes, but I would take this a bit further. If you have that feeling to spontaneously be with someone, that's great, if your groin has that feeling as well, that's really great, but what does that mean? The argument you present is:
Momentary desire is the ultimate measure of what is good,
You have a momentary desire to do x
Therefore, do x.
It's a simple syllogism but to my mind, your premise is flawed. Momentary urges can get us into trouble. In your example that you have in the podcast, you pretty much gave the contradiction straight up. If your lady friend had no concern for commitment, or future potential, if she just wanted to have fun then I agree with you, she should have gone. But many people including myself DO have much concern about commitment and future potential. If that fellow she was dating couldn't respect the very understandable fact that she might want to take things a bit slower, then it is obvious where his interests are, and for him a transient weekend of pleasure takes precident over cultivating a real relationship. To argue that perhaps he would of been more interested in a real relationship if she were a bit more spontaneous and sexually liberated is just nonsense, that specious reasoning is good for getting people laid but nothing more. If a person doesn't even have the self control to wait a little while for physical intimacy, then why should she think he'll have the patience for a committed relationship? She shouldn't because he likely won't.
That said, I think that listening to the negotiator for things that aren't in conflict with your values can be just as harmful, and I agree with you completely in that realm. Yeah, be more spontaneous, stay up late, skip work every so often to go on some crazy adventure. But don't pretend that sex is just another enjoyable pastime to do on a whim, with no more meaning then going to the beach, because for many and I'd argue most people, It's not.
I think there is much good advice in your podcasts man, but I wish you wouldn't paint with such broad strokes. There's probably a lot of young people and maybe even not so young people listening to these podcasts who don't have the self knowledge yet to understand the implications this sort of advice could have on their lives.
I'd be happy to discuss this further with anyone,
David -
Let me address Skye's comments if I may. I feel this is a perfect example of The Negotiator composing an email that posits the typical assortment of dangerous 'what if?' scenarios. While we can often sympathize or identify with this bundle of white noise, it is not applicable for the woman David referred to in his closing story. She did in fact want to go on the weekend adventure. She did in fact regret not going and she was hopeful for another opportunity. But this isn't just about the woman in his story.
David isn't advising men and women to actively seek out identical, sexually-binding scenarios. He's encouraging people to gain cognizance of how The Negotiator undermines that which we pursue and thus the very nature of living. Unlike William Shatner, this Negotiator is much more likely to shortchange us in the long run.
Another example– Rihanna getting back together with Chris Brown.. She is getting back into this unhealthy relationship because it feels right to her, ignoring her inner voice that has to be SCREAMING at her– “THIS GUY BEATS WOMEN!!”.
Whoever buys his music should get punched in the face...courtesy of him! lol
What a powerful message. David, I like the way you articulate your words, and get to the point without forgetting about the overall lesson to be learned.
Fuck the Negotiator!
Orsonically Wells, You've got it right in my view.
I've got a question for Skye, John and everyone:
Does anyone here think that their intuition would ever make them do something truly harmful to themselves?
oh holy shit
you people are so stuck in your heads that you totally missed the message what david was even talking about.
david is talking about going with your gut and fallowing your heart and desires. hes telling us we need stop making up bullshit excusses and actually do the things we wanna do like going up to that hot girl or guy or do that spontaneous moment that we secretly desire to do but are too scared to do it. hes not telling you to rob a fucking bank or do something that will hurt you and if you do thats your problem because any adult with a brain knows whats good to do and not to do.
follow your deep animal instincts and listen to your heart and do what you really want to do and listen to your gut feeling and desires and like david said you will enjoy life better and if you guys still cant comprehend it this is what steve jobs said that goes perfectly with what david said
“Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure – these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.” Steve Jobs
I don't understand why people are going to extremes of using domestic violence as an arguement.People are generalizing this way out of context.I'm sure people knew it was more than likely David wasn't refering to harmful or dangerous behavior.
@interndan,, that's a funny question.. yes,, it would. People do truly harmful things to themselves ALL THE TIME! People follow their intuition, and get themselves into trouble all the time.
They get back with a physically abusive ex. (rihanna)
They buy a car their inner negotiator told them they can't afford. (guilty).
Try that crack for the first time, when their negotiator should have told them "this is a bad idea." (crackheads) .
Make Terminator 3 when James Cameron said he'd have none of it. (hollywood) .
Approach that hot blonde at the bar when your negotiator told you that a woman that hot can't POSSIBLY be here alone, then Lurch turns around from the bar and pounds you into the floor. (ever happen to you?)
So yeah Dan,, intuition leads people down the wrong road ALL THE TIME.
@KC1,, WRONG! The point is that David is telling you that you should just do whatever feels good all the time..
Just sleep with that guy (or girl) and ignore your inner voice, because it "feels good",, when there may be a GOOD REASON that voice is telling you NOT TO DO IT.
I think just doing whatever feels good and never listening to better reason coming from inside, is just the equivalent of "following your Dick" all the time.
I like the blog and what the message is. This Saturday I'm attending a surprise birthday party. At first, I didn't want to go. Kept thinking I would see him there. Then I said to myself why I'm denying myself a great time. I do not have any regrets with him. I'm not mad at him at all. If I see him there, say Hi and walk away. I will enjoy spending time with friends and meeting new people. I can't wait because they will be a band playing and good food at the party. Yesterday, I went out and bought a new dress for this occasion. So when Monday comes around, I can say I had a great weekend.
John, you're still mistaking the negotiator for intuition.
Women don't get back with a physically abusive ex because they "feel" deep down that it's the right thing to do. They do it because their negotiator takes all the other things into account, like having no money, what the abuser might do etc. etc. etc.
The negotiator tells the guy to buy the car he can't afford because it will make his ego feel good.
People drink and do drugs to escape the ego and the negotiator, convinces them that these escapes are a good idea rather than actually facing what they want to escape from.
Everything you've mentioned isn't the intuition. It isn't someone's core beliefs, it's the ego, it's the negotiator ignoring intuition.
In fact, if, in the examples you gave, the people followed their intuition, they wouldn't find themselves in the situations you've listed. You have to actually use ego and the negotiator to ignore intuition.
Your intuition can't send you in the wrong direction. The trick is learning to recognize your intuition and practicing listening to it.
Hi Orsonically Wells, and InternDan
First off, thanks for responses,
Wells:
I agree that the "negotiator" as David calls it (I think Freud called it the Super ego) can cause much trouble for some people. But to imply as he does that it is by nature bad is wrong. To start, he offers no explanation of where the "negotiator" might come from, and no valid reason as to why it's always wrong. Sure when it comes to things like approaching people, making friends, and speaking what's on your mind say in class or business meeting, a lot of people could benefit from being a bit less inhibited. But there is a reason we have doubts and uncertainties - satisfaction of immediate desires are not always in our best interests. I implore anyone to reflect in earnest on their past, and I suspect you will see that this is so.
InternDan
Thanks for the comment. My answer to your question is yes I do think "intuition" can make us do harmful things. Allow me to pose a counter question: What is intuition exactly? You use this word as though it's an easily defined concept, but try to explain it and it turns out to be a bit nebulous. Is it simple physical desire? Is it habit? is it divine? is it informal rationality? Just what is it? Even if you argue that it is some inner force which cannot be described in words, you are confronted with the confusion of all these other things I mentioned. How do you know when "intuition" is pure and when it's influenced by pure physical desire - to the exclusion of your values? The problem is that in this podcast, David would like very much for your "inner voice" to be the solution to all of life's challenges, but it simply isn't.
Again, I'm not saying disagree entirely. I am often led astray by such ego concerns, by my "intuition". Furthermore I am fascinated by intuition and how getting in touch with it can transform aspects of your life. As an example, intuition is essential to be a jazz musician, to improvise spontaneously. But along with this, so is an understanding of harmony, aurally and theoretically. Just as in life it is a combination of things which guide us to happiness, intuition being a central, but not only player. We are feeling beings but we are also thinking beings, and to deny this is folly.
Skye,
We can get bogged down in an academic discussion about exactly what the intuition is but that defeats the purpose. It's not something you can study in a university or lab.
The intuition is your gut feeling. It's that "feeling" you get that tells you what to do. It's your soul urging you into action.
When you think, it should be to figure out how to act on your gut feeling.
Your gut doesn't feel like immediate gratification or intense sexual attraction.
You have to learn to listen for your intuition and trust it. Then you won't be worried that it's some other ego driven voice telling you to do things like rob banks.
If you don't trust your own intuition, what can you trust?
Dan, thanks again for taking me up on this a bit, I think it's a pretty important topic, and clearly so do you!
You say intuition is a gut feeling, but also it is something you have to "listen to" as you would a voice which means you are interpreting it in some way (ie thinking about it) and you also say it is NOT immediate gratification or intense sexual desire.
In the example David uses in the podcast, just what is what for this woman? You say you don't want to get involved in an academic discussion, but I'm tspeaking entirely to practical application throughout this thread.
It is satisfying to talk of gut feelings having the answer, but in real life a partner invites this young woman to go on a romantic getaway, and she is conflicted. She likes this guy so far, but she also wants to take it slowly, perhaps she has dived into physical intimacy quickly in the past and questions whether this is wise after many failed relationships, something I and many people can relate to, and she is certain going away on a getaway will lead to sex, which it probably will. She is right to feel conflicted, and it sounds to me like her "gut feeling" or intuition or whatever you'd prefer to call it is telling her NOT to go on this getaway, and her sexual attraction, her want for immediate gratification is what pulls her (recall these are the things you said intuition is not). So what you called initially the "negotiator" is in fact to my mind her real intuition, appropriately waving red flags. Why? Because The allure of sexual attraction can be irresistible, it can overwhelm you, and this can be a wonderful thing in the right setting. But if she has already decided that she wants to move slowly in relationships, that's great! She ought then to avoid such a rendezvous this early, after all she's only human, and sexual attraction might easily overwhelm her.
If the guy she's with can't appreciate this, she ought to move on, and be confident In her resolve to take things slowly. In a world where it is totally not cool to be cognizant of this stuff, she ought to be commended for her self-control, not chastised for ignoring her "inner voice".
Skye the woman in the podcast wanted to go and wanted to have amazing sex that weekend. It was her fear of how she'd be perceived by others that stopped her.
Then when she missed out she immediately regretted it. If she had gone with her actual desire, she would have had an amazing weekend. And she knows she missed out.
You also attribute all sorts of things to her that we don't know from the podcast. We don't know about her dating past. All we know is that she really wanted to go on this romantic weekend and have great sex but she didn't. Then she regretted it.
Skye, your posts are definitely well thought out and intelligent and you take up this side of the issue well. I have to ask though, do you spend a lot of time in your head planning your actions and your future?
I ask because I recognize a lot of myself in your posts. It's not all that long ago that I'd be making the exact arguments your making for denying your gut feeling and praising "self-control". It's a very intellectual view of living.
Thanks for your kind words Dan,
I listened again to the podcast to regain my bearings on what exactly I took issue with. You're right I do fill in some details, in my defense I did say "perhaps she..." I will also say here, perhaps the best thing for her to do would've been to go. But then Why didn't she? She told the guy that " it just doesn't feel right". Well that sounds like intuition to me. But then David asks her what she wants to do " I feel like going and having amazing sex?" well how can she feel both ways? Easily, people are ambivalent all the time, that's what makes decisions difficult. You say it is simply how she'd be perceived by others which stopped her. Well I find that others' opinions by and large are that it is fine to have sex very quickly in a relationship, and that in fact she is going against the grain by choosing not to. She almost certainly would have had an amazing weekend. Then what? She may have very much regretted giving in to her desires so quickly, AGAINST her intuition which told her not to go.
Dan, I didnt want to get too personal here because I think my reasoning stands on its own, and if a reader takes the time to reflect on it I hope they would agree. but since you asked, I do spend a lot time in my head, I'm a born intellectualizer, good intuition ; ) My cross to bear I suppose. But I have met too many women who regret their sexual past, specifically being too physical too quickly, and viewing sex as simply an activity to make one feel good and mothing more. Further, I have the same regrets about my past. Now I don't dwell on them, they were errors I have learned from. I am much more comfortable with my intuition now, and that intuition says to be a man, and wait. There are moments when every cell in my body wants to jump into the glorius bed, but now I'm waiting, taking it slowly, and so far, it is proving to me to be much wiser than letting myself get swept up in the romance, which is what I have done in the past. Is it really simply others' opinions which prevented the woman from going? Maybe, but maybe not, maybe that is her real intuition and that is the one she should be fostering. When I reflect on my past, it's obvious to me that my intuition was telling me to take it slowly with sex, it was in fact social pressure and my "negotiator" telling me the opposite: "just go for it, after all it's just sex, everyone does it, besides it feels good and you'll have an amazing time." exactly what David is telling this lady. So your original comment was accurate, my intuition wasn't telling me to do something which would harm me!
I would further add, that others' opinions aren't always wrong, and they often have some grounding in reality. Of course it is important to have one's own convictions, and for some, including me and perhaps the lady in David's story, this comes only through trial and error.
Skye, We're all about getting personal here. There's nothing more beautiful than baring your soul.
You're preaching to the choir in a lot of ways.I know I can look back at all the "errors" in my life and see the steps I've taken to avoid them. It's like when we're kids and we learn not to touch hot burners. Then when something bad happens to us emotionally we use that same principal and become cautious around it.
But relationships don't work like this. Everyone is different, and unless you put yourself out there you can't keep growing and becoming the best you can be.
Instead of trying to get things right, as we intellectualisers try to do, and I'm guilty of it in a major way, what if we believed that everything that happened was "right". It was a lesson we need to learn. For you, your lesson is to slow down and you can hear your intuition telling you to slow down.
For myself, and I suspect the woman in the podcast, our intuitions tell us to actually do something because if we were anymore cautious we'd be dead. I missed out on a lot of beautiful experiences because I ignored my intuition. I had to learn the hard way to go with my intuition. It's never failed me.
Our intuitions are our own private guides. What one person's intuition tell's them will be tailored to their specific needs.
So I'm curious then how you would related this to previous posts about people needing to get over an ex and get into an abundance mentality.
The advice that I've seen here and on other blogs is to move on and find another person to be intimate with. However, probably 80-90% of the people writing to David and the other bloggers have severe 'oneitis' (sp?). Is that not intuition/inner voice? does this blog not imply they should follow it?
Dan, I appreciate your honesty and your wisdom. You remind me in your last post of a very simple but profound truth, that we all come from differnt pasts, different parents, different tribulations, and so we are all carved differently, it is No surprise we all need to take different approaches to grow. In fact thinking about this has made me feel a bit of shame for being too harsh around this issue sometimes with the woman I am dating, I thank you for this, it is refreshing to be able to disagree with someone and yet learn from your interaction with them.
I can tell that you are able to see this from a balanced perspective, able to appreciate the complexity and yet simplicity of it. I think that we come to some agreement here, for you are actually pointing to exactly what rubbed me the wrong way about David's podcast, perhaps what would have rubbed you the wrong way had he advised her to not go, to listen to her intuition and wait for someone who will be patient with her. How does he know what her path is? Ok she is his client so maybe he does know, but many people who will listen to this, many impressionable people I'm sure, for they were listening to get advice, are not his clients. What message are they given here? "wake the f$@& up and do what feels right" Such an imperative may be just what some people need, but I fail to see this as an adequate solution for everyone or even most people. There are countless people out there who are doing what feels right and yet are not happy, or who don't know which feeling is more right, so they look to podcasts like this one to tell them. You say that listening to your intuition can't be wrong, but I think you would agree with me that to do this takes self reflection and autonomy - deciding what your values are and willfully acting upon them in the world. You may not get it exactly right but you will learn and adjust. There is no room for this in David's podcast. "Act now" is his message, and from this and the odd other things Ive seen by him, which I admit is very little, his message is "get out there, and meet lots of people so you can have great sex", which it seems like you agree may work for some, but is not a one size fits all answer, it likely isnt even a one size fits most answer. I haven't seen any podcasts from him titled " slow the f@&$ down" or "be courageous, don't give in to pressure to go to bed" where he offers advice to people on different paths, people who you wisely acknowledged in your last post.
What I do see is him advising his readers to let go of those old lame antiquated religious views on sex, because it is wonderful thing and there is nothing wrong with it between two consenting adults. Well I agree with him that sex is a wonderful thing. But my intuition, not religious dogma, tells me something much different about how to go about it, and I am far from alone, which he discards like a used rag as "old and antiquated ideology."
Skye,
I really see where we are in disagreement now:
Where you see "wake the f$@& up and do what feels right” as a bad thing I see it as the best thing to do.
We've grown up in a society where we only value thinking. Thinking is great. It invented the flush toilet and air-conditioning. But thinking can't do anything for our soul.
Only by acting on your feelings openly and honestly can you grow your soul. And yes, sometimes you'll get caught up in the moment and you'll "feel" the urge to do something negative, but that's not your soul, that's your ego. You will learn how to better listen to your soul and drop the ego.
We're all going to make mistakes. That's what being a human is all about. It's also the only way to make yourself better able to hear your soul and act on it. You can't think your way to a better soul. You can only act.
Dan and Skye,
Powerful debate you guys. Before my seminar I was on your side Skye, and now I can really see Dans point.
Having a brilliant enough mind to write pages of intense thoughts, I understand you Skye. You have a gifted mind.
Have you done any writing exercises? It's like step one of mens mastery, to make lists and describe everything you want in your life, and in love.
If you have not done that, I would highly suggest that, and taking it one step further by recording yourself reading and owning your words.
If you need an example of this, look up TCupGent on YouTube. My three most recent videos are of me doing this.
My intuition is telling me you write this much because you don't speak as much, or at least not in situations where you feel you shouldnt speak your mind. If you can channel that energy with exercises like this, you just might find yourself finding fewer words, with more power behind them. I know that's how I feel anyway.
James, that's a good question about "oneitis".
When I think about the times I've had oneitis I've felt like my head and heart were on fire. It was a gnawing burning pain.
The only way my pain was soothed was when I realized the truth, when my intuition told me that there was an abundance of women that I could meet, date and love. Then I felt peace.
Oneitis is caused by the ego. You can tell because it causes pain and tension. It's you thinking that you can never love anyone again, which is simply not true.
Intuition tells you there's an abundance of people to love in the world and brings a sense of peace and harmony. Which is objectively true.
Intuition will always bring a sense of peace. That's one way you can tell it's not the ego.
Dan,
I think you maybe see where we are in partial disagreement, because I don't entirely disagree. I think that "Waking the f Up" might be exactly what some people could benefit greatly from (as do you), but not all.
For one, I disagree with what you say about only valuing thinking. In fact, I would say that there is much obsession with "feeling" these days, hence the surge of anti-depressants, psychologists, self help books, yoga, alternative medicine, chakras, and many other techniques and products to help us "feel better". Entertainment and advertising industries go to great lengths to create "subjective feelings" in observers, movies for example try to evoke feelings, such as love, sadness, sexual desire, excitement, as opposed to engaging the imagination (as novels and plays tend to do more of). Almost any major film today features character development and plot which is infantile compared to virtually any novel or play from 100 years ago, and draw its audiences instead by overloading them with intense feelings - fear, excitement, etc. Sorry for this tangent but I use it to support my claim that there is no shortage of concern for or use of emotions these days.
I couldn't agree with you more about the importance of acting openly and honestly for personal growth, acting on your feelings, on your convictions, absolutely. But to act without thought is unwise to my mind, and this I take this from my own lived experience of acting impetuously, not simply argument. It is like letting the engine drive the car, a risky endeavour to say the least!
So while I will agree with you that acting, not thinking will improve one's soul, I think that acting should be based on both thinking and feeling. Interestingly, this an ancient conception of what the soul is - three parts - thinking, feeling, and willful acting, the best state being harmony between all three. Too much emphasis on feeling can be just as or more harmful then too much emphasis on thinking.
Your comment about the urge to do something wrong - well I think that our negative urges are just as much a part of us as our positive urges, and both are contained within what might be thought of as the soul. Rather then "listening" to my soul, I think of myself as developing my soul, which means identifying, and trying to prune away negative impulse, while nurturing positive impulse by giving it action. But this is by definition an emotional and a thoughtful process.
Roy
Thank you for the kind words! I hope to get a chance to check out one of your videos soon, my Internet access is a bit limited at the moment. What is the title of one you recommend?
I don't know much about the men's mastery thing you describe, is that the program through David wygant? Best of luck in it, anything to help a person live a more deliberate life is a godsend in my books.
Your intuition is a bit off, but not entirely. I write this much because I take great interest in the issue, it's one that affects me and all of us daily, and in the big picture, and I rarely write on message boards, most of my writing is in emails and letters (yup the old fashioned kind) so I tend to write a lot I guess. I confess I quite enjoy the art of composing prose as well (forgive my occasional verbosity) and I relish the chance to thoughtfully scribe my thoughts and have them read and pondered by someone like Dan on this board, who has also thought a lot about these things and has many fine things to say. When it comes to speaking my mind, well I think I spend more time talking with people about these things then writing about them, and I may even annoy some with my tendency to engage people on these sorts of issues, but I think mostly they enjoy it. After all we're all on the same ship trying to figure out how to lead the good life, and it's not a zero sum competition. (unless your definition of the good life is limited to material gain. But then I think you've got a faulty dictionary!)
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