I was talking to one of my team the other day about relationships. In the past he’d suffered terribly with approach anxiety. He told me how he’d spend all night in a bar, seeing women he’d love to meet, but was so paralysed by fear he wouldn’t approach them. One woman from years ago in particular stuck in his mind. They’d been talking for a while and got on really well. They’d go out on “dates”, laugh, and generally have a really good time.
He was starting to fall for her, but he was so afraid of rejection, and so stuck in his head, he convinced himself she wouldn’t want him. In fact, he friend-zoned himself!
He watched this woman he was falling in love with, have failed relationship after failed relationship with other men, and still wouldn’t tell her how he felt. He assumed she knew and just wanted to be friends. After a year or two he gave up on his “love”, and after a brief fling, found himself expecting a baby with another woman. He loved his new girlfriend and he wanted to be a good father, but he still wondered “what if” he’d have told his friend how he felt.
One night when they were chatting on the phone he finally broke it to her. “You know I was totally in love with you when we met don’t you?”
Do you know what’s she said?
This woman he’d loved from a distance, told him she felt the same about him. She thought he only wanted to be friends and was so afraid on rejection she hadn’t confessed to her true feelings. They were both in love with each other, but so afraid of rejection they’d hidden their true feelings. Now it was too late. They remain friends to this day, but here’s the lesson…
Don’t let fear of rejection hold you back from showing your feelings. If you meet a girl and you want to see her again, tell her. If you want to take your relationship to the next level with someone, tell them. Sure, nobody likes rejection but it feels a whole lot better than knowing you missed out on something you could have had. It’s like the old saying goes, regret the things you’ve done, not the things you haven’t.
Will my guy and his new family love happily ever after?
Could he and his friend have been an amazing couple?
Maybe, maybe not, but now we’ll never know, and I can tell you from experience that feels much worse than any rejection you could ever face!
About David
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Nice is so overrated. I’d prefer brutally honest breakthrough to a “nice” rut any damn day of the week. If you’re the same way, then you've come to the right place.
I totally agree with David.
This is a tough, competitive world we live in, and if you don't say anything to that girl you're in love with sooner or later somebody else will come along and sweep her off her feet.
Better to put up with a few bumps on the road than never get anywhere!
Just a question...why are we being told how to approach and women are being told how to be approached? or to get someone to approach? Shouldn't you be telling them the exact same thing you tell us? I know he won't answer, he only wants' to hear from potential testimonials but the fact remains.
Yureon, I don't know how old you are, but there is one and one type of woman only who will ever actively approach you, and they usually don' t take credit cards. And even they are very subtle about it, because they know that taking the role of aggressor away from a man makes the man feel like a complete wimp. You are the man, you approach, you take risks, you lead, you make plans, that is just the way it is.
"You are the man, you approach, you take risks, you lead, you make plans, that is just the way it is."
And don't get rewarded,
If I HAVE to do all that then women better follow which I know they won't,
I don;t see how that makes men look wimpy, if anything the approacher should be regarded as that, HE has to make a move, WOMEN force HIS hand, and he needs to be QUALIFIED to be selected and GIVEN the time of day by her. I don;t believe that theory of yours, women already have the power they couldn't take anymore.
I would feel empowered to have a woman seek validation and approval from me, which is how it should be...
this should apply to women, or would the world be halved to 3.5 billion because of the sky-rocket female suicides from rejection and actually having to be the ones to take risk.
I don;t see how that makes men look wimpy, if anything the approacher should be regarded as that, HE has to make a move, WOMEN force HIS hand, and he needs to be QUALIFIED to be selected and GIVEN the time of day by her. I don;t believe that theory of yours, women already have the power they couldn’t take anymore.
I don;t see how that makes men look wimpy, if anything the approacher should be regarded as that, HE has to make a move, WOMEN force HIS hand, and he needs to be QUALIFIED to be selected and GIVEN the time of day by her. I don;t believe that theory of yours, women already have the power they couldn’t take anymore.
Shaun
Tuesday, December 24th, 2013
The thing I like about approaching women, or anyone for that matter is the idea that I have something of value. Regardless of who breaks the ice, I need to convey that value to the other person so they will in-turn want what I have, like me, want to do things for me, etc...
There is a book called Wild at Heart. Yureon (do you pronounce it Urine?), if you are confused about who needs to take the lead in relationships with women, this book will help you out. And to remind you, the lead is where it's at brother. From there, you now have a chance to lead her mentally, emotionally, and physically. This is what David teaches. Surprised you haven't learned this by now.
Brad
Tuesday, December 24th, 2013
Yureon, it's not a theory, and it certainly is not MY theory. It is basic human biology. There is not a single society on this planet where the female is supposed to be the aggressor. Think about the physics of your body, of sex in general. She is receiving, you are penetrating, which just by itself is an act of aggression.
On a personal note, what did your dad teach you regarding women ? I really have never heard a father telling his kid 'hey you see that cute girl over there, just wait until she talks to you'. No.
You never got rewarded ? How do you approach, what do you say, what do you do ?
Andrew
Tuesday, December 24th, 2013
me being a guy, the only way I wouldn't be so against doing the approaching and asking out is if it was okay to make getting a girlfriend my number one priority, unfortuneately I hate how us guys get labeled desperate easy, we are expected to be more mentally independent
John
Tuesday, December 24th, 2013
What ever happened to the good ole' days when you see a girl you like, crack her upside the head with a club, and drag her off to your cave?
Women want men to be aggressive, let's just bring that back.
You can't get any more aggressive than the good ole' club upside the head!
(You just better be over 6' tall when she wakes up, or she's gonna be PISSED!)
It is pronounced your-ray-on.
since we keep talking about biology and comparing animals to humans women need to evolve. Once again we are the ones that aren't in power. You just can't deny that.
things just need need to change like evolution. Society needs to fix itself. Remember when black people never thought that they weren't going to be treated or given rights as second class citizens. Now dating and interaction isn't as serious as let's say apartheid but it deonetly should change. They need to get out of this 16th century mentality and start making moves. If they can be head of companies and politicians they can make a move on a guy it's.
Women meed to to stop hiding behind this biology role induced conundrum and stop using it as an excuse to be lazy and not go after men. I am not asking for a complete reversal it just just be happening more often.
we give women this power and divorce rates are at 70 percent. In places like India 90 percent of arranged marriages work. Some were even interviewed and the said it's the answer. But no women want to run their independence in men's faces and shot test and put them through the ringer just I get a date which they will be paying for out of them.
I know very well what David instructs about leading and taking the role. Whati am surprised you haven't learned is ONLY if she allowa this. If I do all these things and she says no then anything after that is being in power...it's harassment. A woman doesn't have to do any of that, and they try to appease us by sidestepping it by saying oh we don't want to tread on your masculinity when it really is I like being hit on non stop and rejecting people but wait....now you want me to do all that he'll no you are crazy...
There are some women who do take the lead.
About 20 years algo, when I was at High School, I remember how a girl asked me out without me even knowing her. She had probably seen me around or heard about me from a friend.
To be honest, I didn't find her attractive, but it shows that some women are not afraid to go after what they want.
Arranged marriages in India work ? Are you kidding ? India is probably the worst country for women in the entire world. Try to take a woman to New Delhi and count the times she gets groped. The men there are so sexually retarded that they feel gang rapes are ok, and touching women's asses in public is a national sport. Just google it, or do a search on YouTube.
Please, you are a man, you are intelligent, go make the ladies feel like a woman, and they will love you for it. You cannot expect them to grow a penis.
YEs the work its in the statistics you are bringint variables that are apparent in every country aka rape grope that goes on everywhere (which in itself is a marginal occurance compared to what actually goes on otherwise that country would be in turmoil), I was talking about something specific you can't compare the two. You were talking about one incident and now you think the whole country practices/endorses that. In adition those guys are being punished for it so no one deems it "OK" as you suggested other than the men who did it.
Anyway, I would be more than happy to make them feel like women, if they didn't do such a great job of emasculating their male counters.
"You cannot expect them to grow a penis." Nosensible, comment right there, again, you are one of the many washed by society by that man=approachers hunters, which ironically is sexist as well.
Another sexist is comparing women to sport... chase, fun games, no I don't want to play them, I wouldn't feel any more accomplished. I don't wanna waste time, hunting humans/female only to be led along.
"But do you really want women to actively chase you ? " Fuck yeah I would. IT would be nice to be desired and wanted and sought after instead of constantly working on "game" and having to always seek validation and approval from them...
"The chase is crucial, it is what makes it all worth while. "
NO Finding someone who cares for me and will help make my life better in return their and raising a family and living a stable life is what makes interacting with them worthwhile, not playing bullshit mind games hoop jumping and shit testing...
Besides women don't take heed to your little analogy, they don't feel that they have to HUNT to get what they want or that they should have to, they feel completely fine with being passive and waiting for stuff to be presented to them, so why can't men, especially in this day of equality and the like...
While I can appreciate what you are saying about wanting to be chased and desired by a woman, I fear it's a 'grass seems greener' scenario.
You 'think' it sounds amazing to have some woman approach you, hit on you, ask you out, buy you drinks and what, flowers? A new video game? Sneakers? But in reality, even if this mythical broad was insanely hot, your balls would shrink a little more every time you saw her. Because, what is this woman? Your mother?
You feel powerless because women supposedly hold all the cards. You approach a woman, she rejects you, you feel hurt and disappointed. In my experience, this 'constant rejection' only happens to men who are constantly aiming too high. Going for the 10 at the club when you are a broke, lack luster personality 6. Water seeks it's own level. Be honest with yourself and aim for the targets you can hit.
As a woman, I've approached, I've asked men out, I've paid for dates, etc. Always ends with me dumping the guy after he's all head over heels. Why? Because I can't find his balls any more and his vagina starts to smell.
Yureon
Tuesday, December 24th, 2013
Oh and I am not interested in hat woman I showed you. That was just to how you that even women like her have this eat shit and die attitude and nothing is ever good enough towards men. I mean it wouldn't be right of she was a supermodel either but I hope you see the point now. If not then oh well. Not an ounce of humility just spoiled entitled little cunt rags.
I would say it is not really that extreme with women being totally passive. If you pay attention, you will be able to pick up the signals they give out when they like you, when they are interested ? But do you really want women to actively chase you ? What is the fun in that ? It is like fishing and hunting, where the trophy bass just jumps into your boat, or the deer just shows up in front of your rifle. No hunt, no chase, no fun. The chase is crucial, it is what makes it all worth while. In general, everything that comes easy has little or no value, that what you have to fight for is memorable and truly enjoyable. You just have to feel that testosterone and adrenaline rush.
I shouldn't have to read minds and decode signals when they can use ambiguity for their convenience...
I also shouldn't have to "fight" for anything of that nature...I was in the army I have fought for all kinds of reasons.... something like this shouldn't be a fight... but I'll tell ya what next time I see a couple I am fucking up the man and taking the woman and if she doesn't like it I'll fuck her up too. I am APLHA I will take what I want from who I want... or I will not take "no" from a single woman I approach I will chase and hunt, and stalk and shadow until she gives me what I deserve because I know what is best for her...
See how wrong that sounds? And I am partially serious about that, but beside the point.
Yureon, assuming that you have attracted women and have had sex with women in the past, what happened then that made them fall for you ? You must have done SOMETHING right, otherwise it would not have happened !
I read their ads and paid them their donations...
I am not ashamed I have spent more on a real date and not even a kiss on the cheek...
I have only been with just a couple...and I didn't have to do any of what these gurus say the were just into me. I didn't think about lines or "portal words" or the three day rule when calling...it was easy...
I didn't beat on my chest like some alpha either. I simply asked out (legit girls) and worked, but we all had mutual friends so that played a role in it too. Again whether I did any or none of what this mastery stuff is would have made no difference...which brings me to my next point...
All these things you have to do is to create something that isn't there or at the ready, it's so much easier when they are already into you, the overwhelming majority is hot rich and value. They don't need to know any tricks and tips and techniques... I have a saying...when you are unattractive you are guilty until proven innocent...meaning that she won't consider you unless she sees some other reason (money, social, can get her something or be used).
However if you are attractive or found that, you are innocent until proven guilty, (you cheat on her she finds out youre a player or emotionally unavailable ) AND EVEN THEN she will still pursue or try to change, while the former (guilty) is happily let go and in what a female on here said as a "narrow escape)
I should just give up altogether otherwise bad things are going to start happening to them and me.
Andrew
Thursday, December 26th, 2013
I guess it has to do with a womans bio-chemistry as to why most women never initiate
Melissa, our female voice of reason, is back ! You have been lurking around, I hope you found something interesting. Either way, your post clears the air, again. You are totally right: as with anything, what it comes down to is what somebody else can add to your life. Most women these days indeed do not depend on a man economically anymore. Does that take any of the power away from men ? Personally, always felt that with women not being able to support themselves and depending on a man to provide for them, you just never really knew why the heck they were with you in the first place. It might have only been for reasons of convenience. Nowadays, you really have to put something on the table for a woman to want to be with you. Money alone doesn't cut it anymore. As a matter of fact, most women are completely turned off when a man brags about his wealth and possessions. The way I see it, as a man, you have to have the following qualities: be in great shape, dress well, be sociable, have humor, have wit, have intelligence, be problem solving, be self confident, and generally just fun to be around. In addition, it helps if you can fix stuff, have solutions to problems that are out there. The entire goal of having all these qualities is to put a woman at ease, to make her feel safe and secure, so she can trust you and yes, feel like a woman ! That is the most important thing: she has to feel so good about being with you that she MISSES being with you. That is the added value. Everything is about opposites: if you are weak, she must be strong. If you behave like a girly man, she must behave like the manly man. None of which creates attraction. Sexually, a man always gets what he wants in a sexual encounter. The woman, well, it takes some skill. If you can sexually satisfy her, you are the added value in her life. As Melissa says, it is all about taking charge. I sincerely believe that most women are really just dying for a man who is in control, who plans and executes. Yes, very similar to that Christian Grey character, there is a reason why that book is so successful !
If it was okay for me to make getting a girlfriend my number one priority in life, then I would embrace and enjoy being the aggressor and pursuer, initiator more often, do the guys role, but unfortunately guys make it there number 1 priority it makes them come across as desperate am trying too hard, which is unfortunately a turn off for women
Hey! Remember that eat shit and die and nothing is ever good enough and too high maintenance talk? You are a prime example...so by your logic men are inferior, great good to know...
She is no voice of reason, she is THE REASON why alienation between the sexes occurs, read that answer rife with man bashing and saying he can't do this, or doesn't have enough of that...come on, sex is a huge risk for both.
You want to know whay women like you KNOW you don't have to chase, because the smae generation that you mentioned are the ones that have spoiled you rotten with attention, " just think if ALL MAN just shut down and ignored women...(I know it wouldn't happen but think). There would be a lot more women, saying "I just want a (nice guy), (where have all the good guys gone!) (Are there any normal guys left?)
Sppiled entitled and rotten to the core and it gets worse which each passing day, the more you receive the more you take. MY money helps me get laid, because YOU women have what I want, and I HAVE what you need...the idea of a male stripper or prostitute or escort is seen in one of every 1000 females...that is how you women work, even if it is not a direct transaction, you will be feeding into his wallets before you "think" he is good or bad in bed as a consolation prize should the latter turn out.
YOU WOMEN have to bring SOMETHING to the table, instead of saying MEN aren't bringing enough, WTF do YOU OFFER? Guaruntee it's something a man already has...
"They are polished. They smell great. They smile at everyone. They wear clothes that flatter their bodies. They took time to look soft and smooth and touchable. And guess what? All of this takes time and effort."
NO they are STUCK UP, POMPOUS, ARROGANT, inflated ego princess suffering egotists, that can't thousands of likes on facebook and instagram isn't enough so they question their own worth by making themselves unattainable, unless MR. is willing to pay the price...
"conversely, a woman sees a man with a big smile, a fun personality, nicely dressed, talking to everyone…she’s drawn to that man because his commanding presence. "
NO because she sense HE either has MONEY, GOOD LOOKS, or he is someone SHE should know... aka the infamous term GOLDIGGER. WE see a lot more of that than your norble I am attracted ONLY to him for himself...
"Having a man like that in your life allows the woman to finally be a woman again."
Tell that to the feminist who shout from the rooftops they don't NEED a man, which you said you don't either" and are praised and coddled by society which have both become hostile towards men...you sound just like them...
Side note (CHristain grey is a success because he is a 27 year old Billionaire that is hot...which is every womans fantasy...billionaire, not steve jobs, donald trump or bill gates, (unattractive) read between the lines. IF Mr. grey worked at H and M and had that attitude it wouldn't nearly be successful)
But he you don't need men or see them as expendable like we are labeled often so youre just using the normal female mindset...
Yureon- well, hmmmmmm...where to begin.
It's clear that you hate women at this point. You really want a woman, I am assuming for sex (because that's where this angry level of frustruation usually comes from) but you can't get a woman to want you back so you are mad. Understandable. We all want to be wanted and loved.
My point was this (and it's a simple one). EVERYONE - man or woman - needs to bring something to the table. Maybe a few somethings. I don't give women a free pass and say that it's enough that she bring the vagina to the party and that's it. Of course not. BUT, in my experience, it's the woman that brings the most to start with...she's the one who makes you dinner, comes up with fun activities for the both of you, brings you gifts, soup when you are sick, plans get togethers with friends, will wear sexy lingerie for you, will listen to you rant when work is bad, will help you in your house, will love you and compliment you and generally accept you for who you are, warts and all. And the truth of the matter is, men are generally more covered in warts, more hairy, more rough with perhaps some suspect hygiene. Men need to be accepted and loved for being guys. Heck, women say it all the time as excuses for when he forgets a birthday, forgets to call, etc....he's "such a guy".
I am in no way saying that women are perfect. Yes, I know that we can be crabby. But, generally, you don't have to worry that we will be hairy or smelly, or that we will dress poorly at your work event, or that we will have dingleberries if you go down on us or that we will blow all your money on strippers. Usually not a concern.
About a month ago, I dumped a guy after dating for about 5 months. Honestly? I was great to this dude. He had a dog and couldn't stay the night at my place so I would stay at his and drag myself out of bed at 4:30am so I could get home, work out and shower before work. I would bring him treats, planned his birthday party, paid all the time when we went out (because he never seemed to have enough cash on him). Why? Because he was the first guy I met in a loooonnnngggg time who actually had a personality. He was funny and he complimented me a lot. And at first, that was nice! But, after the months went on and he would never reach for the check or make a plan, I had had it. We had one big talk about it, gave him about 6 weeks to improve and nothing happened, so I dumped him.
And now? He's stalking me. Dropping gifts off at my house, leaving me notes and letters. Ha. Too little too late. By the end of the 5 months I was disgusted with him for not appreciating me and letting me pay and take care of him like he's a woman or a child. And worse yet, disgusted with myself for letting it go on....for giving so much just for some compliments. I am simply not that hard up....well, it's hard to meet men who interest me, but I would rather be alone and only pay for one dinner. ;-)
This is the second guy that this has happened with since my divorce. Both guys I pursued from the start..I "took the lead" and they let me. And it's a bad, bad move. Because by the end, I just wanted to diaper them. They were big, gross, entitled babies.
It's chemistry, dude. It just is. And I have learned my lesson.
"My point was this (and it’s a simple one). EVERYONE – man or woman – needs to bring something to the table. "
Get honest with me...that was not your point... your point was clear and it was this...
"Why? Because we don’t need men for literally any reason. "
and this...
"I think a lot of young women have learned that they can get some serious play with the boys attention-wise by talking about sex and maybe even screwing around a lot but in the end, they don’t actually need it the way men do. "
and this...
"SO- why on earth would a girl chase you?? Why?? She doesn’t care! "
Yep I could go on, in fact I should have highlited the whole thing... don't try and backpedal and say WE BOTH NEED TO CHANGE and the like. Well you just keep reinforcing my "nothing is ever good enough" and "men are expendable and not need attitudes" the female spectrum is rife with... so I am not suprised, disappointed, but not surprised...
"she’s the one who makes you dinner, comes up with fun activities for the both of you, brings you gifts, soup when you are sick, plans get togethers with friends, will wear sexy lingerie for you, will listen to you rant when work is bad, will help you in your house, will love you and compliment you and generally accept you for who you are, warts and all. "
ACTUALLY it's the men that do all those things, we give foot massages backrub, FIX stuff around the house, PUSH the car while you steer because the reverse is impossible," We run out and get things (hunters, providers) put up with your nonsense from work and your PERIOD/PREGNANCY.
LOL ACCEPT MEN WARTS AND ALL? Hahaha you don't accept yourselves let alone men. Hair too short? Hair plain color? DYE/HIGHLIGHTS/ Extensions. Lashes too frayed? Fake ones Eyes color unsat? Contacts Face and body too pale? Tanning Nailed too bland? Painted and or fake ones. Boobs too small? Implants. Butt too flat? Implants Does this make me look fat? LOL conscious about height? Heels. Stomach too round? Waist belt corset. You don't do all of that for men (most don't like lipstick and make up anyway) You do it for you...
Those same hariy warty guys can have high self esteem and be responsible loving caring partners BUT you will gladly wait for a hollister model...proof straight from you and me that women are more visual and shallow than men...
Hmmm
" (because he never seemed to have enough cash on him). Why? Because he was the first guy I met in a loooonnnngggg time who actually had a personality."
The you realized that Money vs Personality...latter vs former, well I can see how "wealthy" his compliments and attention got him. Translation, just pay her stuff...don't pay her compliments.
"But, after the months went on and he would never reach for the check or make a plan, I had had it."
Sounds like you weren't the only one who had "had it." But please, at least you graciously gave him a chance to "improve." What you deemed as failure was his success by taking his life, time, and MONEY back.
"And now? He’s stalking me. Dropping gifts off at my house, leaving me notes and letters." Yeah right...next.
Ah here,
"By the end of the 5 months I was disgusted with him for not appreciating me and letting me pay and take care of him like he’s a woman or a child. And worse yet, disgusted with myself for letting it go on."
PREACHING TO THE CHOIR! LOL This is like telling Michael Jordan how to play basketball or Babe Ruth how to hit a home RUN. OMG HAHAHAHAHA. Translation this is what men do all the time for women and get sick of what you got "allegedly" got a taste of."
"well, it’s hard to meet men who interest me, but I would rather be alone and only pay for one dinner. "
Good, you sit there by yourself at 39, bring some cats and some wine too...
" Because I like male energy. Being with a strong man makes me feel more feminine and I really do enjoy that. I love a man’s eyes upon me…there is nothing like that feeling you get when a man only has eyes for you."
Doesn't this go against the whole we are completely free of needing or wanting any of what you presented in your initial reply? Ah hypocrisy...
"She doesn’t care! She can make her own money (check) get love from her family and friends (check) get love from herself."
Sorry, but the whole man only has eyes for me just doesn't seem valid after reading that...
"I do think the term “gold digger” is tossed around a little too lightly these days. "
You mean too heavily? I am sure you do, but I get your point, yes about the ice cream...
Hey so is player, wuss, whining, beta, clingy, needy, CREEP (big one) a-hole, jerk, pimp, "Tallywacker" ------hahahah... and cocky.
That is a warped view of just because A guy stays with his mother or family he is not a man and incapable of being one, he can still have a job car, and ambition... (OHHHH women love ambition right? ) YEah only if they already acheieved it.
"
Yureon, one honest question for you: do you even LIKE women ? You sound so negative and frustrated, what exactly do you want from them ?
Just curious...
Not anymore...guess what I DONT NEED a woman, how's that huh?
i start a well paying job in summer of 2014 that is going to gross roughly 125 annually, when all of a sudden I become more "attractive" to women I will know why, and I am going to use abuse and lead along and lash out for all thetome women like Melissa deemed my devotion, care and responsible antics as "unnesseary" or not good enough"
trust me , I just want them for sex now, I have and will have the money, they hhave what I WANT and I have what THEY NEED.
because the certainly don't put themselves out their because they want to. It's women like her that hold women with Zero responsibility and say it's all men and always men at fault. Notice how she didn't acknowledge one point I made about how women can be and are a detriment in interaction.. That is the feminist agenda...
checky outlook on women? check your own self out and get off your pedestal...that we men stupidly put you on.
Domestic marriages are failed because women cheat more than men now YES read the staitistic which I can gladly post, and men are realizing what users you women are, guy marries woman, woman has nothing, hangs out gets divorced gets custody of children, and half the assets, YEAH. That is why. BUT I am sure you will contest documented fact with more of your feminist logic...geez feminism the moronic idea that we can bring equality to the sexes by focusing solely on one gender... GTFO.
How's this for a muddled answer? We don't need men for literally any reason...you need for procreation for starters it comes from the man, therefore your statement is false(don't act like one sex doesn't need the other) (again warped feminist mindset) even the woman who was one of the starters of their atrocity of a movemwnt stated in an interview that she regrets not allowing a man to start a family with her,... Along with a lot of other things but I'll save these forums some bandwidth. Just because I disagree with societal expectations doesn't make me a misongynist...(so that thing you are smelling is probably your own ilk or that louis Vuitton perfume that a man got you). But by that logic because I disagree and you label me something I can label you a feminist especially since a lot of the points up brought up coincide with their warped ideologies...
if you are the voice of reason and women we men should go deaf...
Yureon-
I am completely self-sufficient. I make more than enough money. I am done with procreating. Why do I want a man? Because I like male energy. Being with a strong man makes me feel more feminine and I really do enjoy that. I love a man's eyes upon me...there is nothing like that feeling you get when a man only has eyes for you.
I've never had a man buy me gifts except when it's too late and he's trying to win me back. I've had piles of gifts left at my doorstep after I've dumped him. I have him take them back, unopened. I call the flower company and tell them the flowers are not accepted or I give them to my assistant. But, have I ever had a man really woo me from the start? No. Well, maybe a couple of guys but they didn't have a chance so after a date or two, I stop it. I am not the greedy golddigger you speak of....and for what it's worth? I do think the term "gold digger" is tossed around a little too lightly these days. Any dude with 2 cents in his pocket thinks that a girl who wants him to buy her an ice cream cone is a "gold digger". Ummmm, no. You take a girl out and you treat her. Believe it or not, that actually works. She's not just using you for free ice cream.
Funny you mention perfume. I just went out at lunch and bought my Dolce and Gabbana today. Used my own cash. Imagine.
another thing I hate too is that a woman can still live at home at pretty much any age and most men will start date her, will overlook that about her, but if a man still lives at home by a certain age, he is screwed for the most part
Andrew. Sigh.
Up until the last 30 years or so, a woman always stayed home till she got married. She would help her mom out with her other siblings or help with aging grandparents. This was a societial norm. It's only recently that women move out or stay.
But, you want to stay living at your parents comfortably. Sure. Don't expect to get laid. I really don't understand why you boys think that it's okay not to be a man. What happened to this generation?
Women's sense of entitlement and hostility towards masculinity is what happened. You now have am the same opportunities as a man in this "mans world". You have to take them it doesn't mean now that everything men work for you get handed and treated to...
canthave your cake and eat it too.
Hey Yureon-
You want a girl or what? You want a girl, you ask her out, you make the plan, you pay. Always. You treat her with kindness and respect. The End.
You will get it back ten fold. Bet you have never even tried to wine and dine a woman. Why not? Those dollars in your pocket keeping you warm?
What's funny is that you are going to take this as an admission that I like to be spoiled. And guess what? Sure I do. BUT- I love, love to spoil my man right back. I know the things that men like best, better than a lot of women. And I am willing to give as good as I get. It's a pleasure and a joy to make a man smile. Problem is, men are the takers these days....not willing to give to get anything- as is evidenced by this dialogue.
Andrew
Thursday, December 26th, 2013
what is the logic behind why is being self-sufficient part of being a Man? what is logic behind why is being independent a masculine trait? I only live at home because i'm currently unable to afford living on my own at the moment, as much as I would love to date and be in a relationship, at the same time i'm not looking to get married or settle down
Andrew- how old are you? I am 39. I've already been married once.
If you are 18 and living at home, that's FINE. Older than 25? Not so fine. At least to people of my generation. I was 25 when I got married. Had been living on my own, alone, without room mates, from 18 years old. Worked as a cocktail waitress and put myself through college. But, back then, people didn't "need" things like cell phones, cable, internet access, etc. So, life was a little cheaper.
Once you are over 25 you should be out of college and out of the house. And honestly? Getting a girlfriend to clean your pipes while you are under your parent's roof shouldn't be a priority. A girl will only distract you from actually making something of yourself and getting your own place. You should be putting your free time and effort into moving out. You know how HOT and SEXY a self-sufficient man is??? OMG. A man who can pay his own bills, dress himself, keep a nice apartment and go to work each day? WithOUT room mates??? Holy moly. HOT. Because it shows initiative, drive and most importantly, forethought and planning- the two things most men are sorely lacking.
You know, all the young men I know either live at home or with room mates. But oddly, all the women I know under 30 have their own apartments. Huh.
I am under 25 have my own place and car and women don't describe me as "HOT!!" Don't listen to her man she forgot to mention the rod bit about being treated and spoiled. She is divorced but it was theen that weren't good enough...yeah right.
Andrew
Thursday, December 26th, 2013
well I don't have a college degree, highest is high school diploma, for me now i'm just working, i'm 25, almost 26, yes don't get me wrong the feeling, pressure of moving out on my own has been getting to me lately but i'm unable to afford moving out on my own yet, and when you said "You know how HOT and SEXY a self-sufficient man is??? OMG. A man who can pay his own bills, dress himself, keep a nice apartment and go to work each day? WithOUT room mates??? Holy moly. HOT. Because it shows initiative, drive and most importantly, forethought and planning- the two things most men are sorely lacking."
Most men could care less if a woman has initiative, drive, goals, ambitions, I don't understand why are those masculine traits? what does it show or prove to women?
Who are you? What do you stand for? What do you want to do with your life to leave your foot print on this earth? That is what I want to know in any woman I date or I am with and I would expect them to ask me the same questions. It shows women and other men that you have thought about your purpose in life.
Very astute, we don't resort to being shallow and materialistic like women do when we genuinely want to connect with them. We learn to take the good with the bad, women however, want to mitigate as much bad as possible so they can help themselves to the good with little or no impediment, that's why their filters are so heavy and they are so decisive and picky. You think any of that shit would matter if she genuinely appreciated your, love? Responisiblity? devotion? sense of humor? confidence?
The answer should be no...but we know and many more are waking up and realizing that those are the things we need are EXPECTED, but they are free to be void of themselves.. You know it's like those that tax us don't have to pay taxes themselves...they (women) are above the law) in the interaction regard)
Andrew.. don't buy it! Women only care about those things if they are looking for a provider, and ONLY after you have passed the looks / height test.
Take me for example. I'm 41, have a great paying job, dress well have a nice place of my own, and haven't had / needed a roommate since I was a kid in my early 20's, and no woman on the face of this earth would consider me attractive, let alone HOT!.
Height / looks are the be all - end all with women. They will hook up with a guy living in a cardboard box if he's tall / good looking enough. All that other shit is secondary.
hahaha.
I thought you were "lurking" for six months?
:/
Yureon
Friday, December 27th, 2013
Hey cuz guess what things like height and appearance (ugly) don't change at that age...who would have thought?
Andrew
Friday, December 27th, 2013
yeah I will admit sometimes I feel I have set myself back many years with getting a girlfriend, and I hate it when people say that you have plenty of time, that it's better late than never, that it's never too late, that you have your whole life for a girlfriend, well i'm not getting any younger and one day i'll be too old to date or attract women in their early 20's, or just 20-something women, I don't want to be stuck in Cougar Town
Andrew...serious ? You don't know why initiative, drive, goals and ambition are masculine traits, and what they show to women ?
I am not sure how much of that stuff is out there, but when I read this, I really start to feel sorry for being a man...
Living in a roach infested, one bedroom apartment is still ten times more attractive to ANY woman than living with your parents when you are almost 26.
no I don't know why those traits are attractive to women and I want to know why, I believe everything in life has a reason behind it, also still strongly dislike how women can get away with living at home at any age and most men won't care, if a woman still lives at home by a certain age, most men will be like, it's a plus but it's not a must-have, her living situation does not determine whether I will be attracted to her or not, however if a man(as in human male) is still living at home by a certain age, it's pretty much non-negotiable for the vast majority of women
Andrew-
God, you sound like a whining baby right now! IT'S NOT FAIR, you cry.
Listen, I can't tell you why men don't care if a woman lives at home or not. My guess is that if he lives on his own and she lives with her parents then he may feel "manly" in the fact that he could provide something for her that she needs....a place to live. It might actually be a turn on, in some respects- I don't know.
What I do know is what I've been telling you. To women, independence, forethought, planning, caring for your own home....are important, desired traits. It indicates that a man will be a good provider some day when you have children. It shows that he can handle the world on his own. It doesn't matter if the girl is interested in settling down right at the minute- oftentimes, just the idea of being able to settle down will a desirable candidate is good enough.
Seriously- stop whining and get your act together. The girls will follow.
Brad
Thursday, December 26th, 2013
Andrew, certain things should be learned and experienced in the field. If you find the time, go out to any place where you see women, and ask them why they don't find a guy attractive who has no drive, no goals, no initiative, no ambition, and who still lives at home at the age of 26. They will tell you. I don't mean that to sound mean in any way, but I think it would be best to hear it from a woman in person. It is related to women looking for the best genetic material out there...
Brad
Thursday, December 26th, 2013
Melissa, good to have you back ! The problem discussing certain issues here is that you are trying to discuss it with guys that apparently do not have a dating life. They wonder why that is the case, and they don't even accept basic rules like the guy planning and paying for the first date. Still living at home with your parents makes you unfit for dating, because it signals that you are still a child. Children do not date women.
What you said about you wanting and liking to feel that masculine energy, that really is the crux of the entire interaction. Because grown up men want the same thing, to feel your femininity. Unfortunately, the child man wants to feel his mother, that is why your attention is not reciprocated: children don't take care of their mothers, it is a one way street.
The experiences you describe just prove that it is usually a bad idea for a woman to actively pursue a man.
I wish all the guys on here would just shut up, listen to you, and act accordingly. You pretty much tell them what to do, but there are some really weird ideas out there that apparently die hard.
then why do a lot of people in community college date, are in relationships while living at home? these people are over 18, still, I know it's a double-standard, women can be a child but men can not, I don't get it
It's a double standard one that many wem benefit from. This "advice" that was sling at us would never reach the ears of a female in that situation...rather "mr right will come along" "you're a great catch!" And "he is going t be lucky when HE finds YOU."
Of course they don't see anything wrong with that
plus, if somebody is against dating somebody because they still live at home because they believe they won't be able to have privacy when it comes to getting laid, ummmmm, hello, there are always hotels you know, people can always go out for privacy you know
Good grief. Who is paying for this hotel? You going to ask the girl to split the bill so the two of you can bang? MAYBE (just maybe) you put that money into the "Get My Own House" Jar?
Sweet buttery Jesus. Hope I die before you jokers are in charge.
We hope so too...do that that house we put ourobey into isn't inhabited by entitled princesses like you and won't get half owner ship when you divorce us for mr. Grey
see another double standard...if you paid for the room it's ok...if you so much as ask to split let alone have the other pay it's god dn you to a thousand hells...you have to be patient with their attitude.
Peter
Thursday, December 26th, 2013
Andrew, Yureon, at least the two of you are putting up a fight, that's a good start and leaves some room for hope. Remember, anything you say can and will be judged against the number of dates you have had over the last few months or years. No dates mean no credibility. No dates mean: listen and learn.
But I have been on dates that's where ms oracle is wrong she wrongfully assumes like always that I am completely void of experience,
damn roght we we won't just take this shit, we are going to make them well aware of what their attitudes are causing to happen... 39 and still clings to I deserve the best and men are failuress
Holy shit
"We hope so too…do that that house we put ourobey into isn’t inhabited by entitled princesses like you and won’t get half owner ship when you divorce us for mr. Grey"
PREACHHHH ON! YES I am living proof, I am recently divorced at 37 and I reckon I wasn't the only one who had this shit happen... She took damn near everything in court it was a nightmare and a half and my son stays with her and he hates it...
I earned my way to the top only to be grappled by a woman waiting for me to get there, now she wants something else and the tramp is out seeing younger men.
Yureon, I don't hate women or only see them as sex objects, but everything else you point out is spot on, a kiddie carnival shit show! It's like you have been filming the past 10 years of my life, god. He is right women love confidence, and other qualities that make them seem less shallow, but only of he is in the looks department of channing tatum or brad pitt. Give Danny devito and Brad Pitt the same qualites, Hell, give Mr, Devito more and MR. Pitt will still be taken everytime regardless of what hogwash they throw out there.
Good on you sir for speaking up
oh ga....another one.
Yes, it takes two to make a marriage work. In my case? I left. We were just two totally different people. He became a right-wing religious nut who refused to exercise or take care of himself and I wasn't attracted to those things. The End. I couldn't make that work.
But, I left him with everything. The house, all the stuff. We share the kids 50/50 (he is a good dad). Remarkably though, he's still angry 4 years later. Still hasn't dated. My point? It doesn't seem to matter if the woman takes everything or is completely amicable...the anger remains. Men don't like to lose.
Marcus- I would suggest that you don't even try to date until your heart is clear of anger. I have been on 30 first dates with guys just like you- angry, bitter- and it's just awful. If you want sex while you work through your "end of marriage" issues, find a fuck buddy or a whore. Don't go on match.com or anything and tell women that you are ready for a relationship. You are not.
With all due respect, in every divorce, both partners are to blame. What did YOU do wrong ? There must be a reason she divorced you...
People I hope this blog doesn't turn into a string of babies whining and crying...
Seems like men do all the work in life, and that's not shocking, Player Supreme, who has his own YouTube channel, he's another Dating Coach as well, he's black, somebody asked him "why does it always have to be the man that pleases the woman? Why can't men be like Kings and the women serve us?", and he responds by saying "Because it is what we were born to do, sorry that is life, women bear the kids, we(men) are the laborers of life and creators of civilizations"
Sure.
This kind of explains why women are just sooooo annoyed with men these days. Most of the women I know are working full time, have kids, still have to do all the housework while their men complain that they don't get blowjobs. The men want it both ways. They don't want to support their wives so they can stay home and raise the kids but they don't want help in the house either. It's a constant problem all around us.
I know men love to blame women for the women's movement or whatever but the reality is, women have always worked. Women have worked in factories, brought laundry in, worked as secretaries, etc. The only thing that has really changed is that women can now be seen in the boardroom or in a police officer's uniform, etc.
I have a great job and I thank god every day because otherwise, I would have been stuck in a loveless marriage. It's funny, most men have taken the notion of "gender equality" to mean that they get to be lazy and do less. When in reality, you have to step up your game to make a woman even think of a reason to invite you into her life.
"I have a great job and I thank god every day because otherwise, I would have been stuck in a loveless marriage"
UM you were already stuck in a loveless marriage and divorced, don't act like your situation makes a difference, it comes down to the person...
that's why I would not be comfortable putting my dating life/sex life on hold to focus on improving myself because at the same time i'm not getting any younger and I don't want to be too old to date and attract women in their early 20's or 20's something women, don't want to end up settling for cougars
Hey man, nothing wrong with doing that, but if you think that is all you need to start attracting women, you are way off from the mark, I have all those materialistic qualties women like her have called HOT!!! and no one is clawing at my door to fit my lifestyle...
They are too busy making themselves unattainable and boost their own narcissictic egotistisical attitudes.
yeah I believe it is possible, because I know of a woman who recently dated, was in a relationship with a man who was still living with his parents at age 32, meanwhile that is like 6 years away from me
"It’s funny, most men have taken the notion of “gender equality” to mean that they get to be lazy and do less. When in reality, you have to step up your game to make a woman even think of a reason to invite you into her life."
Idiotic...again the idea that to bring equality we have to focus solely on one gender...
It's shouldn't mean that, but guess what, it does. Oh we have the same opportuinites as men now! This translates to we are now going to be HANDED everything MEN WORK for. So come on boys step it up! You are bringing enough. NO WOMEN need to realize that it is and should always be a two way street and stop cutting avenues at the male expense.
Melissa your ignorance on assuming people situations is astounding, it's like you were in court with him the day it happened. You have no idea how it went down, bottom line is whether right or wrong he takes the biggest lost. '
Right men get upset when women dupe men like this, because we are more devoted and committed...you women see things as a new lease on life and can't wait to get back to all those men who you couldn't interact with.
Yureon, God did not create us equal. There is a reason why women and children get to step in the lifeboats first when the ship sinks. They are physically weaker, they get lost in places they don't know, but they have a whole lot of qualities that we men will never have. They can have babies. If there are a million men and a million women left on Earth, the females are infinitely more valuable. You really need only ONE man for all of them.
So god had inditectly spoiled them by creating more men than women in the world,only by a slight margin than besides the point.
yes I already know that women and apparently you see men as expendable. You also sound like one of those manginas who praise a woman for being just that.
You also forget that of men left the earth they wouldn't have anyone to initiate hey there is that word again (procreation) so they aren't infinitely more valuable.
Bob
Saturday, December 28th, 2013
You guys quit whining, like little pussies. Learn how to use all the assets that Mel keeps harping about, in what she desires in a man and use it to your advantage. You don't have to Marry the girl, or get serious with her, to get laid, and have some fun. Just BS her, and fake it, till you make it, if you ever do... Tell her how purrttyy she is, treat her like you don't care, tell how well you are doing, and twirl her around the dance floor, while making her feel like a woman. You are the man of her dreams, who knows how to handle a woman, and quit worrying about what the hell she thinks, wants or needs, just do what you want with her and don't ask, tell her. Easy Peasy, Simple Simon. You will have her in bed in no time, and another conquest on the bedpost, whether she likes it, or not, who cares? On to the next one. Been doing it for years...Who wants them around all the time anyhow? To much trouble and work, anyhow...
Hmmmm interesting comments in here.
Melissa can I just play pseudo psychologist and say something... It genuinely seems like youre attracted to losers. Like you attract them and welcome them into your life on some unconscious level. It always seemed like youre full of rage towards men too. You're constantly ranting about how self sufficient and how much you have to offer-but self sufficient/confidence just don't come off like you do.
Your ex husband was a loser and all these guys you date are losers. Even if that's coincidence (its not), you spend your time on here bitching about them along with the crazy expectations you think all men have rather than spending any time trying to develop as a person. Youre self sufficient... good for you. That isn't enough... and it's possible that you come off as aggressive or standoffish to any decent man. Like when you had that dating profile and felt the need to write a list of 10 things you hate in men-that is going to send good men running rather than filter out bad ones.
You've said thigns in the past like you want your man to have his pants perfectly snug around his boots or something... I always remember that for some reason. It cracks me up. Its like youre setting yourself up to fail for some reason then when it does you come back on here and vent. Well you've seen the kind of people on here that do that and might want to do a bit more reflection about yourself unless you want to be running in a permanent circle... Also you're clearly lying to yourself saying you dont need a man. It's so clearly something you are obsessed with. I think you're more desperate than you realize. And If I know you I'll get an essay response back telling me how wrong I am (i'm sure you'd be very articulate and intelligent with your responses as well-probably an A paper!) on every point I made... but before you do that I'd wish you'd let it sit for a while in your head.
I am trying to think about what I said about the boots...I think maybe I could have said something about pants fitting correctly? Like not being high-water and floating 2-3" above the shoes. Yeah, that does annoy me.
But again, I only mention dumb stuff like that to point out that my expectations are actually pretty low. Like, jesus, at least know enough not to wear flood pants. That's all. Own a suit. Don't hate my cat. Be a man.
Well, Bobby, thanks for the assessment, but you couldn't be more off. Except for one point.
I am not desperate or lacking in self esteem. Quite the contrary. If I were either of those things, wouldn't I have stayed with the last guy? Just to have a guy around? I mean, he really gave me the full court press at the end....flowers, money, gifts...all arriving at my door. I made him pick them all up. A lesser woman would have been wooed and would have taken him back. But I know I can do better and should expect better from the get go.
I love men and I am not full of rage. At least not any more...I do believe I was more angry in the past. Now? I am just disappointed. Really, sorely disappointed. What I am looking for is not much. It's really not some unattainable ideal. At least I didn't think so....but it's becoming more and more clear that the man I seek (which is pretty much what Bob describes) doesn't exist. I am not looking for Mr. Hot Stud who is 6'2", chiseled face and abs, super rich, funny, smart and nice. I am looking for Mr. MAN. An old-school man's man to be the ying to my yang. I got the being a lady thing down. When I talk about being self-sufficient and the fact that I don't "need" a man, it's mainly to point out that I am not desperate to find someone to take care of me and the kids. I am a self-sufficient girly girl. I want a man to take me out and take pride in being the man. He won't let me pay, he will open the door, he will tell me where his is taking me, what time he will pick me up and what I should wear. In turn, I will make him feel like a man by looking pretty on his arm, thanking and complimenting him, laughing with him and making sure he knows I think he's a beast in bed later on. It's a pretty simple exchange...it's fun and sexy and IMPOSSIBLE to find. What a disappointment.
The point I agree with....yes, I attract the wrong guys. They are not losers, really, they are narcissists. Apparently, I love them. I love the big dynamic personality...but I don't see until later that it's all just a cover up for their raging insecurity. This is why they stalk me. They cannot stand to lose when I break it off. This is why the last guy left gifts upon gifts at my door. This is why the guy before sent me flowers for over a year and 1/2 even though I never responded. This is why my ex husband still hasn't had a date in 3.5 years. They can't stand to lose. But, these are the types of guys I attract. I am currently working on figuring out how to attract the types of guys I want. But, like Bob said, guys in general are too intimidated. The narcissists like me because I am good arm candy. I am more than happy to give and give and accept all their flaws. I make them feel good about themselves because that's what I think relationships are all about. Unfortunately, narcissists mistake this for the worship that they seek and feel they deserve so they don't give it back. The "relationship" I think I have is really just a one way street.
Anyway, you are right on that front. I am not dating right now on purpose. I broke up with the last dude before Thanksgiving. Been alone since. I might join Match again....ugh. I don't know if I am up for it. Truth is, I let the relationship with the last guy go about 2 months past the point I knew it was over because it took me a while to get my head around dating again. Now my head is just in the sand. I really can't hack being bummed out by more guys.
I am trying to put myself in your shoes. If I constantly have relationships with women that sooner or later don't work out, and if I then convey a negative image of these people to the public, and to myself, there really can be, in my opinion, only one reason for that to happen: I am, deep down inside, afraid to get REALLY swept away by someone, because that would put me in a very vulnerable position, and would make me loose control. If I constantly aim too low, so to speak, on purpose, consciously or unconsciously, it is because I am afraid of the power someone can have over me when I really fall in love with that person.
I like that post a lot, Bobby. It doesn't seem like you want to bash anyone, more like you want to break the cycle and get to the bottom of things. I truly believe that everyone that comes into my life is there because I attracted that person. If I constantly get into short relationships with people that never work out, and I subsequently trash these people and blame them for their shortcomings, I must eventually ask myself why I got involved with them in the first place. Trashing anyone usually only serves the purpose of feeding my own ego, it makes me feel better then and superior to that other person. Unfortunately, it makes me look really bad when I do that in front of other people. Because those other people, and especially people with integrity, wonder why I attract the 'losers', they read it as a warning sign and subsequently stay away from me. Nobody wants to deal with either 'losers' or people that attract them. When I had a bad job, I sure don't tell my next employer about it, I make it look like it was a good job, because any kind of negativity I exude immediately reflects back on me. That is the hard truth. I also believe that trashing others is a defense mechanism that shields me from really looking at myself. As long as 'the other' is to blame, I don't really have to change myself. What is the way out of this seemingly never ending cycle ? Complete honesty and vulnerability...but that is tough to bear. Do I really feel, deep down inside, that I want and deserve a working relationship, a partner that loves me, understands me, a partner I can share my secrets and desires with ?
Sorry for sounding like Dr. Freud...
Bobby,
Well thought out, articulate, and perceptive, as usual. Mel's problem is really not hard to understand, or that complicated. She likes men who give off a powerful and confident aura, know how to treat a woman, aren't afraid of "powerful" women, and know how to behave around them by making them feel beautiful, make them laugh, and feel that they are important and needed.
I know, because that is how I am, how I act with them, and know how easy it is to woe these types of "have their shit together" types of women.
The problem is there are few men who know how to behave around women like this. Most men are not confident enough, strong enough to not care, and just go for it, and tell them what they want to hear. There is a fine line about learning how to behave and treat these self sustaining, independent women, in knowing how to deal with them, and maintain their interest. You must be caring and flattering, while showing interest, while maintaining your own independence and nonchalance about the relationship, to maintain their interest, and keep them in line.
Complements, humor, and confidence will only go so far. You have to play the role of a real man , who is dominant, by picking up the check, leading them, telling them, and not asking, about what you want to do, and treating them always like a lady, out of the bedroom, in public while making them feel needed and important in your life.
It is really not that hard to understand Mel's problem and many women like her who are successful, pretty, fit,confident, and self sufficient. You just have to have the experience and knowledge in knowing how to deal with them.
If they start blabbering on and complaining about missing a special day, or how messy you are, etc, just look at them and start tickling them or make funny faces to break her down and lighten her up. Look off into the distance like you are thinking in earnest about their concerns, and when she asks you how you feel, say something like huh?, I was just thinking about that 30 pound tuna I caught off of the inlet last week, and wondering if they are biting today, and laugh. Keep it light, don't let them have power over you, but learn how to do the job that the man is supposed to do. It is not that hard...
Thanks Bob, Peter, and Mel.
and I agree with you Bob about diffusing a womans bullshit with humor. Thats always come naturally to me and they usually like it. Although if youre joking all the time she's gonna think youre an idiot. I'd say it's a good combo to be funny and assertive but one of the biggest keys I think is turning her on by saying bold shit when the time is right. I like to pretend i'm cocky. It's also a fun rush to say crazy shit and see how they respond. Plus it just makes sense... no one is attracted to someone who is perfectly predictable (I love crazy bitches). Although It would be nice to find a balance of a good hearted trustworthy girl that is actually interesting.
and what up Peter.. sounds like you're doing good. Keep it up man. One of the best things I know is just don't worry what the hell other people are doing. Keep your focus on what you want. If you find yourself judging people too much then make an active effort not to and program yourself to do that. I was the same way many years ago. It may sound fuckin crazy to normal people but once I stopped judging every person I saw by pretending like I can read them like a book with limited info I was much happier and open.
and Mel, okie dokie. I didn't mean "desperate" in the totally traditional sense but you always seem like youre under a shitton of pressure to find a man and that just can't be good. I put that pressure on myself for all kinds of stuff and I need to find a new place to live right now and go to grad school meanwhile finding a job in my field that won't pay garbage so I'm not always in my flirtiest of moods. Also what girl wants to go out with a broke student with a shitty job? Having a gf would be a nice stress reliever at the moment but alas, such is life. Although I usually chase crazy bitches with no soul =). Maybe I need to find myself a nice nerdy girl with 7 cats that reads poetry on friday nights and try that out for a change. Good news for you though... the divorce rates are like 50/50 in this country.. thats plenty of broken families for the plundering! ;) Also real men appreciate cats.
Real simple explanation...
" I want a man to take me out and take pride in being the man. He won’t let me pay, he will open the door, he will tell me where his is taking me, what time he will pick me up and what I should wear."
This is what men HAVE been doing...if we make it past getting a phone and being flaked on or re scheduled or just simply passed up for mr grey ad nauseum..
"In turn, I will make him feel like a man by looking pretty on his arm, thanking and complimenting him, laughing with him and making sure he knows I think he’s a beast in bed later on. It’s a pretty simple exchange…it’s fun and sexy and IMPOSSIBLE to find. What a disappointment."
THIS is what women HAVEN'T been doing...because they are spoiled and know that if things don't meet up to their expectations, she knows that there are a bunch of other men waiting to be given the time of day...if will be only a matter of a short window of time before another man throws himself at her WHILE WE have to SEARCH, ATTRACT, INITIATE, PLAN, PAY, all over again....YOU have to wait for someone to offer that...again YOU POOR THING.
Funny that you called me impatient too...
" I only mention dumb stuff like that to point out that my expectations are actually pretty low"
Actually what that comes across as you so much as color outside the lines and you are done for... I had a girl that found out I was a Yankees fan (baseball) and she said it won't work out because she liked the Mets (So much for opposites attracting), I couldn't believe it and I didn't think anyone else would either until I showed my friends at work...
If you want to convey that you have low expectations...DON'T state any at all. YOU along with all the other women on match or whatever say I want a simple date, or something low key and then do this...
1.NO THIS
2. NO THAT
3. MUST BE
4 THIS IS A MUST
5. WE WILL DO...
6. WE WONT DO
7 WE WILL NOT GO
8 WE WILL GO.
9 I WANT
10 FUCK WHAT YOU WANT
".yes, I attract the wrong guys. They are not losers, really, they are narcissists.
The disable vet with missing teeth hardly would come of as such, goes along what BOBBY said...insecure about who you date, you are trying to potray that you attract winners and even they mess things up in your presence...
So not thinking they are losers is taken a dim view to.
"Thanks Bob, Peter, and Mel.
and I agree with you Bob about diffusing a womans bullshit with humor. "
Why should we have to "defuse" their bullshit?" Matter of fact, why are they "bullshitting" us in the first place.? We have to utilize humor to manipulate an outcome heavily influenced by game-playing and guilty until proven innocent standards...instead of using humor to set a median of tranquility rather than hostility...
"Also what girl wants to go out with a broke student with a shitty job?"
Where is the male side of this spectrum? Oh wait there is none...as it has been stated women can be broke students with a shitty job and still attract...
"the divorce rates are like 50/50 in this country.. thats plenty of broken families for the plundering! Also real men appreciate cats."
TRUE but 70 percent are INITIATED BY WOMEN with 63 percent of that number getting away with 50/50 of the assets...
"Maybe I need to find myself a nice nerdy girl with 7 cats that reads poetry on friday nights and try that out for a change. Good news for you though…"
NO...besides that is what those aforementioned types are DEMANDING you do while it is completely ok for them to pursue a "bad boy." crazy bitch/bad boy conundrum...
It's ok for you to settle for less but you won't hear the end of it if it is advised to them... also most men do settle and it only hurts them...
She said It wouldn't work out because she liked the mets? Sounds more like she was playing with you and you missed your cue to play back...
and by bullshitting I just mean the normal shit testing girls do when you first meet them. Or the little dramas you don't want to listen to. Point is to not get offended and just turn it into a positive.
You have a ton of assumptions generalizing all women Yureon when there is a lot of variation out there. There are evil bitches and there are extremely good people. and yeah there are gender differences and whatnot... Things will never be exactly equal but whatever-it is what it is. Not too many things in life are as they "should" be. and I was just joking about finding a boring girl with 7 cats.
and one thing i've discovered that will probably offend women worldwide... Women don't know what the fuck they want in a man ok. They think they do but they don't. They are only concerned about how someone makes them feel. If some girl rattles off some stupid list of demands don't worry about it-its all bullshit...and it really isn't that hard to get them obsessed with you if they are comfortable with you and they think you can fuck the shit out of them properly.
Not answering my follow up email, and then subsequently BLOCKING me is not would I would call shit testing man... you know how block happy these women get? They will block you for messaging them no matter what you right?
I throw in hooks when I message women...like for example, I will read a profile and say after reading that part where you stated (__________) I found something I noticed a little odd about you. Along with all the other shit us men HAVE to do when HAVING to initiate.
WOULD THAT make you at least want to say what? Nope just took one look at my pics and clicked block... Funny enough I messaged the again a week later not knowing it was her and it said you have been blocked by this user.
"You have a ton of assumptions generalizing all women Yureon when there is a lot of variation out there. "
What this really is , is the term " A distinction without a difference."
"Women don’t know what the fuck they want in a man ok. They think they do but they don’t. "
They ARE very good at arguing that when you bring that to them, trust me. Like I said there is only so much men can DO. THEY need to take some responsibility for their "entitlements" and figure out what direction they are going to go.
"and it really isn’t that hard to get them obsessed with you if they are comfortable with you and they think you can fuck the shit out of them properly."
They don't THINK you can do any of that if you AREN'T TALL or FIT. It's like thinking a featherweight couldn't defeat a heavyweight but it has happened...they are more than comfortable taking their odds with mr. grey (that fucking atrocity of a novel) over mr Devito.
Yureon-
Let me get this straight. When you message a girl online, your 'hook' is to say you've noticed something odd about them? So, you go in with a negative. Then, this lucky broad clicks on your profile and sees that you are (admittedly, you have stated) not tall or fit or good looking.
Wooooo, okaaayyyy...
Okay. If a man messages me with some kind of insult (and talking about my 'oddness' would be perceived as an insult) and then on top of it, I see his pics and he's a troll, I will think, wtf, THIS guy is insulting me? Delete.
I wouldn't bother blocking you, I just wouldn't reply. Maybe I would block you though if you started emailing me a bunch of 'why haven't you replied yet bitech' emails.
It's simple to get a girl's attention online. I have responded to all kinds of men, looks-wise. I actualLy don't usually go for the ones that are too pretty or have professional photos.
Some intial emails I like are:
'You look like (celebrity X) and I love that you said you like ______'. Hi, my name is _____'
or
'You look beautiful in the morning. I love this pic of you....like to grab some coffee?' (I have pics in my profile from when I just woke up)
Simple, sweet compliments work every time. They will at least get me to look at your profile. Then, it's on you. They guys I have dated who are not as attractive come across as extremely intelligent and funny (really funny), happy, not angry and have decent jobs.
I am 39 and have 2 kids. Started my match profile again on New Years Day and surprisingly, still tons of emails and winks, just tons. I can't respond to them all. You *have* to really stand out especially if the girl you are after is young and good looking. Her in box has 500 plus email in it, I'm sure. Mine has 150 and it's been 6 days. Lord knows how many winks.
Must be why the younger chicks are blocking you....they get too many emails in the first place.
Melissa
Monday, December 30th, 2013
Yureon-
Google "narcissistic personality disorder". Yes, even a disabled vet can have it. It has nothing to do with your traditional vision of a typical narcissist.
As far as the rest of your rant? Whatever, son. Exhausting. Sucks to be you.
“As far as the rest of your rant? Whatever, son. Exhausting. Sucks to be you.”
I don’t know, I will be a lot better off by the time I am 39…
I did google it…and toothless disabled vets wasn’t in the image section, even if the vet did have it…he’s not the only one.
But hey let’s delve into that, to see how easy it is to diagnose someone with that…kindly step forward…
ok let us begin…
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a Personality Disorder in which a person is preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige, and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population (go figure even the disorder is the highest of the high). First formulated in 1968 it was historically called megalomania and is sever egocentricism.
let’s inject some of this….
“ but I am in great shape, better than most of the women in their 20s in this area of the country. Funny story, I was just told by some of the guys that I work with that they had a discussion ranking the hottest women in the company and I came out on top. I work with 300 people.”
This was totally unnessesary in the originial point in the previous discussion but you felt it should have been included…
“ This condition affects one percent of the population.”
Now you tell me what is more conclusive…you have been dating the 1 percent(elevnty billion) and the ALL were narcissistic self entitled babies that you thought you were parenting…or you’re the one percent, and everyone has disappointed you, BOTH to which you clearly stated there was always disappointment on your part…
You just won’t admit it…
Now next part…
Some people diagnosed with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder are characterized by unwarranted feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy.
IF THIS doesn’t describe you just a smidgen…THIS WORLD doesn’t exist and is all a lie, and OJ Simpson really didn’t kill her, and Justin Timberlake really did bring sexy back. I didn’t need to look any of this up until now before people on here suggested that about you by the way…
LOL you asked for THIS
“has trouble keeping healthy relationships with others, easily hurt or rejected, appears unemotional, and exaggerating special achievements and talents, setting unrealistic goals for himself/herself.”
The disabled vet seems plausible (just not to many)…the top woman of 300 in a company… DING! and a great secondary was ALL the SUPER RICH you have RUN THROUGH…
“and often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth.”
That “sucks to be you remark” was the nail in the coffin for this one.
“appears unemotional” LOL I think I have seen only one emoticon from you this whole discussion… (I know the tedium, don’t worry I don’t think less of you, haha it’s comedic relief)
“Often expresses severe disappointment in others”
“Truth is, I let the relationship with the last guy go about 2 months past the point I knew it was over because it took me a while to get my head around dating again. Now my head is just in the sand. I really can’t hack being bummed out by more guys.”
You took the training wheels off and they fell flat on their face… I know we men really have to step it up…
“Another narcissist symptom is a lack of empathy. They are unable to relate, understand, and rationalize the feelings of others.”
I think you only recognize men by appearance…never once (if you did) say men have it rough and know they struggle…
“based on comparisons of peers, and become more realistic.”
299 reasons why that holds true…I would say 300 but it’s “peers”
Well if you are going to vehemently deny that I am wrong and the others too for pointing these things out then it sucks…no I won’t go there..
"As far as the rest of your rant? Whatever, son. Exhausting. Sucks to be you."
I don't know, I will be a lot better off by the time I am 39...
I did google it...and toothless disabled vets wasn't in the image section, even if the vet did have it...he's not the only one.
But hey let's delve into that, to see how easy it is to diagnose someone with that...kindly step forward...
ok let us begin...
Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder[1] in which a person is excessively preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population.[better source needed][2][3] First formulated in 1968, it was historically calledmegalomania, and is severe egocentrism.[citation needed]
Hmm.
let's inject some of this....
" but I am in great shape, better than most of the women in their 20s in this area of the country. Funny story, I was just told by some of the guys that I work with that they had a discussion ranking the hottest women in the company and I came out on top. I work with 300 people."
This was totally unnessesary in the originial point in the previous discussion but you felt it should have been included...
" This condition affects one percent of the population."
Now you tell me what is more conclusive...you have been dating the 1 percent(elevnty billion) and the ALL were narcissistic self entitled babies that you thought you were parenting...or you're the one percent, and everyone has disappointed you, BOTH to which you clearly stated there was always disappointment on your part...
You just won't admit it...
Now next part...
Some people diagnosed with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder are characterized by unwarranted feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy.
IF THIS doesn't describe you just a smidgen...THIS WORLD doesn't exist and is all a lie, and OJ Simpson really didn't kill her, and Justin Timberlake really did bring sexy back. I didn't need to look any of this up until now before people on here suggested that about you by the way...
LOL you asked for THIS
"has trouble keeping healthy relationships with others, easily hurt or rejected, appears unemotional, and exaggerating special achievements and talents, setting unrealistic goals for himself/herself."
The disabled vet seems plausible (just not to many)...the top woman of 300 in a company... DING! and a great secondary was ALL the SUPER RICH you have RUN THROUGH...
"and often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth."
That "sucks to be you remark" was the nail in the coffin for this one.
"appears unemotional" LOL I think I have seen only one emoticon from you this whole discussion... (I know the tedium, don't worry I don't think less of you, haha it's comedic relief)
"Often expresses severe disappointment in others"
"Truth is, I let the relationship with the last guy go about 2 months past the point I knew it was over because it took me a while to get my head around dating again. Now my head is just in the sand. I really can’t hack being bummed out by more guys."
You took the training wheels off and they fell flat on their face... I know we men really have to step it up...
"Another narcissist symptom is a lack of empathy. They are unable to relate, understand, and rationalize the feelings of others."
I think you only recognize men by appearance...never once (if you did) say men have it rough and know they struggle...
"based on comparisons of peers, and become more realistic."
299 reasons why that holds true...I would say 300 but it's "peers"
Well if you are going to vehemently deny that I am wrong and the others too for pointing these things out then it sucks...no I won't go there..
"As far as the rest of your rant? Whatever, son. Exhausting. Sucks to be you."
I don't know, I will be a lot better off by the time I am 39...
I did google it...and toothless disabled vets wasn't in the image section, even if the vet did have it...he's not the only one.
But hey let's delve into that, to see how easy it is to diagnose someone with that...kindly step forward...
ok let us begin...
Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder[1] in which a person is excessively preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population.[better source needed][2][3] First formulated in 1968, it was historically calledmegalomania, and is severe egocentrism.[citation needed]
Hmm.
let's inject some of this....
" but I am in great shape, better than most of the women in their 20s in this area of the country. Funny story, I was just told by some of the guys that I work with that they had a discussion ranking the hottest women in the company and I came out on top. I work with 300 people."
This was totally unnessesary in the originial point in the previous discussion but you felt it should have been included...
" This condition affects one percent of the population."
Now you tell me what is more conclusive...you have been dating the 1 percent(elevnty billion) and the ALL were narcissistic self entitled babies that you thought you were parenting...or you're the one percent, and everyone has disappointed you, BOTH to which you clearly stated there was always disappointment on your part...
You just won't admit it...
Now next part...
Some people diagnosed with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder are characterized by unwarranted feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy.
IF THIS doesn't describe you just a smidgen...THIS WORLD doesn't exist and is all a lie, and OJ Simpson really didn't kill her, and Justin Timberlake really did bring sexy back. I didn't need to look any of this up until now before people on here suggested that about you by the way...
LOL you asked for THIS
"has trouble keeping healthy relationships with others, easily hurt or rejected, appears unemotional, and exaggerating special achievements and talents, setting unrealistic goals for himself/herself."
The disabled vet seems plausible (just not to many)...the top woman of 300 in a company... DING! and a great secondary was ALL the SUPER RICH you have RUN THROUGH...
"and often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth."
That "sucks to be you remark" was the nail in the coffin for this one.
"appears unemotional" LOL I think I have seen only one emoticon from you this whole discussion... (I know the tedium, don't worry I don't think less of you, haha it's comedic relief)
"Often expresses severe disappointment in others"
"Truth is, I let the relationship with the last guy go about 2 months past the point I knew it was over because it took me a while to get my head around dating again. Now my head is just in the sand. I really can’t hack being bummed out by more guys."
You took the training wheels off and they fell flat on their face... I know we men really have to step it up...
"Another narcissist symptom is a lack of empathy. They are unable to relate, understand, and rationalize the feelings of others."
I think you only recognize men by appearance...never once (if you did) say men have it rough and know they struggle...
"based on comparisons of peers, and become more realistic."
299 reasons why that holds true...I would say 300 but it's "peers"
Well if you are going to vehemently deny that I am wrong and the others too for pointing these things out then it sucks...no I won't go there...
LOL one last point after my previous comment hopefully passes moderation...
HE was giving you all the compliments...and HE was the narcissist
MADE OF LOL
Andrew
Monday, December 30th, 2013
I'm not pointing fingers at anybody here but based on these responses i'm seeing, it's making me filled with regret, I feel I have set myself back many years with getting a girlfriend, and I hate it when people say its never too late, that you have plenty of time, you have your whole life for having a girlfriend, better late than never, etc., because I want to gain more experience while I'm still in my prime years, I consider my prime years to be my teens and 20's, i'll feel past my prime once I hit 30, and I don't want to have to be stuck in cougar town when I'm older, as in I want to still be able to date and attract women who are in their 20's, especially early 20's women, hence that's when women are in their prime
Andrew-
Are you being serious with this question??
You should be asking, 'how is a woman in her prime in her 20's?'
If the ONLY thing you care about is looks then maybe I could say that the 20's are prime but that makes you incredibly shallow and in reality you are still wrong.
By the time a woman is in her 30's, she knows her body. She knows what she likes and isn't shy. She's at her scientifically proven sexual peak. She has a job and is settled in life. She is confident, she knows how to dress. A lot of the hormonal emotional outbursts are gone or at least managed better. She is sure of herself. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I cannot even believe that a 26 year old man needs this explained to him.
You do realize that a woman in her 20's eventually turns 30, correct?
Mike
Thursday, January 2nd, 2014
Dude, Jennifer Anniston, Angelina Jolie, Halle Berry, Courtney Cox, Kate Hudson...
All 30's and 40's. Would you mind being "Stuck" with any of those? I'm telling you I wouldn't!
Andrew do you know why women become cougars? And they look for cubs?
Because they spend their 20s with the same entitlement complexes as her and then when reality hits them that their "pool" just got shallower they start becoming "huntresses"
look at the commercial for cougar life website, it shows women vehemntly turning down men who the men can do way better than and these cougars practically pouncing on these young men... this is an allegory for the way it really works...
I can say this...when I had my online dating profile... if EVER I got sent a message or reply from one I SENT it was ALWAYS from a WOMAN NOT in her 20s... mid the late thirtys of that amount...
Those types realize (finally) that it was silly to demand mr grey, when they were no kardashian...and are making amends by genuinly trying to approach and attract men...then you have the ones like her that cling to I deserve the best and I don't want to continuosly bummed by men types, shut them out and enjoy THEIR suffering and know by the time you are their age you will be better off...
(young women) vehemently turning down... I think one cougar said (honey you fold sweaters for a living get lost) this sweater folder wasn't impressed with the young man who to say the least had a lot more going for him than the (youngster) did.
That was a real life reflection of how these women are and are becoming...not the trashy mainstream shit the media is trying to shove in our faces...
Yes I have, and a couple have cheated on me, (coincidently....yeah right) With someone taller, had his own things (at the time) and was older and better looking (which isn't hard to accomplish when standing next to me.. but besides the point)
People only say that when they try to cushion the blow of that dynamic...
Think if you KNEW you were going to be put through the ringer and you KNEW she was going to do the unimaginable...you wouldn't be so steadfast to say that...or even take her in for that matter, the thingis we never WHEN but we are realizing THEY WILL.
If I knew all the shit I would be eventually put through by them beforehand yheah I would have taken the title of Neo from all of the bullet dodging.
Andrew
Saturday, January 4th, 2014
I wonder if it is a the way a guy is raised by his parents and the type of peers he grows up around that help him and teach him how to be a man, have balls, masculine, a leader, etc., i'm referring to guys that have been pulling girls since high school, like ever since they hit puberty
I think that has a lot to do with it and why a lot of guys are now trying to discover themselves and how to be a man, My father gave little to no advice regarding women or m anything else. His catch phrase was "You will figure it out" Well I did but it took a better part of my life to do it with a ton of mistakes that could have been avoided along the way. You cannot look back only forward. That is why we are all here to help each other.
True Greg it doesn't help to dwell on the past but I'm still curious as to where and when I went wrong with girls that way if I ever have kids someday, a son if I do, I can help raise him the right way during child hood so he doesn't struggle with girls the way I did growing up and well still kinda so
It is a fact that if boys who are fortunate enough to have sisters, and grow up with them and have their friends constantly around, that they aquire the knowledge and skills in learning to deal with women much better than boys who only have brothers, or a only children.
I think you will find that almost all "naturals" have grown up with sisters and been fortunate enough to naturally interact with girls their entire life giving them a huge advantage over us boys who only had brothers.
Why does no one ever realize and comment on this obvious advantage?? A mystery to me...
Greg P
Monday, January 6th, 2014
Looking back at the past if helpful but I try to focus on making myself a better person now in the moment and teaching my children the things I never learned from my parents.
Andrew
Saturday, January 11th, 2014
Well since men are still expected to approach and ask out, initiate everything in the beginning its obvious as to why men need to have better social and conversation skills than women do
Women need improvement though, even saying YES or NO is requiring more that 100 percent of their brainpower, you might cause an anuerism is you ask something intellectual like "what's your favorite color"?
https://introvertedplayboy.com/2013/06/women-become-less-picky-when-they-do-the-approaching/
Start approaching men women, it's literally for your own good, it will make you drop that ridiculously selective attitude and realize you don't have to be entitled to go after what you want.
To all you nay sayers that say " MEN MUST APPROACH AND IT CAN'T WORK ANY OTHER WAY BECAUSE IT'S NATURE AND EVOLUTION AND ETC."
There you go.
i'm trying to not let my jealous and envy of people who were lucky to experience dating and relationships in their teenage years, late teens and early 20's, eventhough people will say people are not mature enough yet, still, can never get those innocent young love feelings back
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melissa
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Saturday, December 28th, 2013
Bobby
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Monday, January 6th, 2014
Melissa
Monday, December 30th, 2013
Yureon
Monday, December 30th, 2013
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Monday, December 30th, 2013
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Monday, December 30th, 2013
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Andrew
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Bobby
Sunday, January 5th, 2014
Andrew
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Melissa
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Mike
Thursday, January 2nd, 2014
Yureon
Monday, December 30th, 2013
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Andrew
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Andrew
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Saturday, January 4th, 2014
Greg P
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Bob
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